I ordered Mac's whirl. So let me start off by saying that I personally don't have an issue against this lipstick in general as I have seen many Youtubers that have raved about this lipstick and the formula as well as scent and everything is the same as my other Mac lipsticks. For me though being pale this lipstick absolutely makes me look sick. I am Korean American but I am really pale and I have strong yellow undertones to my skin. For me the Mac taupe lipstick looked beautiful on me so I decided to get whirl but it's kind of shocking the difference between the two brown lipsticks on me. I would say that if you are pale this is not the lipstick for you unless you like that look or you plan on mixing it with other lipsticks, but I would say it's more convenient and makes more sense to order a different Mac lipstick to this one. If you are pale and you want that darker "nude lip" go with Mac velvet teddy, taupe, or twig. These are the lipsticks that work with my pale skin.